Posts by compound complex

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What's The Worst Personality Trait Or Negative Quality A Person Can Have???

by minimus in

jw
friends

i can put up with a lot of things.

but i avoid people who are "users".

you know the type....always taking, never giving, always looking to take advantage of someone......and i don't like liars all that much either.

compound complex

Greetings Minimus and Friends,

I guess it's a variant on Sad Emo's "selfishness": emotional neediness. Perhaps more to be pitied than condemned. I speak for myself and my formerly clinging and suffocating, smother-love. I didn't know how to draw the line with relationships, i.e., wherein lay the boundaries. It's the non-evil form of insinuating yourself into the life of another. Sort of like "The Cable Guy", but with a good heart and no ulterior motive. Well, divorce from False Religion has effected wondrous changes in my heart and mind, and as I approach my 60s, I am free in ways never before imagined. I can now deal more empathetically with the mentally-distraught, having finally gotten off the nightmare-roller-coaster-ride of emotional servitude.

CoCo

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It's my BIRTHDAY and I'll CRY if I want too!

by inlove in

jw
friends

it really is my birthday and of course my jw husband can not celebrate this with me.

i thought i was ok with this, beacause this is my 3rd birthday with him and i have never felt this sad before.

but now that he trying to be reinstated i am so angry with him for not telling me what it would .

compound complex

Dear inlove,

I'm sorry about the pain you're feeling now, but Happy Birthday from a stranger! Your thread title caught my attention a little late, but then, belated wishes are OK! I love the song and Leslie Gore - part of my teen-age years. She and I are the same age. I felt like crying because I had an impromptu "party" for a very OLD friend yesterday, and no one even made a b'day wish. If you check out the following, you can say hello. Many thanx! www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/125792/1.ashx

CoCo

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Does the WBT$ God "Jehovah" Exsist?

by OUTLAW in

the wbt$ caims to speak for god..a god that intends to exterminate eveyone except jehovah`s witness`s..a god that can`t make his mind up about what the truth is,or what his people the "jehovah`s witness`s" should preach..a god who`s organization the wbt$,is absolutly corrupt..a god who say`s exactly what the wbt$ tells him to say.....does the wbts god "jehovah" exsist?...outlaw

compound complex

Thanx Outlaw,

Good advice and much appreciated. Yeah, what I just posted was how I felt about a year ago. I've come a long way, Baby! Your comments and those of other forum members have truly helped me to be a man and not a mouse. Hear me roar! Many, many thanx,

CoCo

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One True Religion?

by blondie in

interesting topic from beliefnet.

12/14/2006 11:54 pm .

taking the position that jesus christ is, in fact, the son of god who paid the price for our sins, i dont believe our affiliation with any christian religion "gives a person an 'an edge'" in their approval by god and christ.

compound complex

Dear Blondie and Friends,

I was reminded of T.J., his comments on Truth, and under_believer's thread of 17 November 2006, 00:28 hours. To both men of renown may the credit go:

"Truth is great and will prevail if left to herself. She is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless, by human interposition, disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate; errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is free to contradict them."

Thomas Jefferson: Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom, 1779

I understand that the Governing Body intones Jefferson's words before reaching a decision of great moment.

Thanx Blondie,

CoCo

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'Church members are responsible...', AWAKE!, 8/8/87, pp.10,11

by compound complex in

jw
friends

if your church fails to act, will you?.

"if, after making an honest investigation, you are less than pleased with what you see, do more than just complain.

a journalist, while commenting on karl barth's statement that a church is its members, logically concluded: 'church members...are responsible for what the church says and does.

compound complex

Dear Friends,

Thank you very much for participating. I have a quotation from THE WATCHTOWER, 27 August 2006, which should put a seal and imprint on the points made. The information presented is validated and given weight by the eminent Bible scholar and thinker, "Andreas":

"Far from registering complaints, individuals often express appreciation for the loving spiritual guidance they receive from elders...A 17-year-old named Andreas states: 'This is really Jehovah's organization, the best organization in the world.' Should we not be grateful for the goodness of the earthly part of Jehovah's organization?"

Do what you will with Andreas.............................

CoCo

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-17-06 WT Study (Sacred Gatherings)

by blondie in

: the special assembly day, the two-day circuit assembly, and the three- or four-day district convention.

q9) how can we show our respect for sacred gatherings by our dress and behavior?.

- how can children show that they respect the sacred nature of our meetings?.

compound complex

Hey Hamsterbait,

RE: David's leaping about before Jehovah. It reminded me of WT admonition to NOT wave arms back and forth [during the song? - don't remember], bring gifts to the newly baptized, clap at reinstatement announcements, go in service with female in-laws unless accompanied by your wife, etc. Apparently, Jehovah's clean and orderly arrangement cannot deal with a little spontaneity, exuberance and free choice. Posted recently was 1984 and "thought" crimes; there are also "face" crimes. If the elders could see my face and read my mind, I'd go from the back room directly to Gehenna.

CoCo

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Have You Been Ambushed?

by karnage in

jw
friends

i was at a gas station the other day, and while i was pumping the fuel into my suv, i noticed a man standing at the far end of the gas station.

i looked over at him, and he was dressed in khaki pants and a white shirt with a tie.

i continued pumping my gas and then all of a sudden, the guy was behind me.

compound complex

Howdy Karnage!

Welcome to the Forum! This may not be much help, but I felt really weird going back to my original KH in the not-too-distant past, driving a 15-year old car. Most other cars in the lot were newer $XX,XXX types. Perhaps more typical of a certain good-economy region. Per your wife's comments, when we kids were pioneering pre-1975, we were getting by on a wing and a prayer, in our this-will-have-to-last-till "Armaggedon" cars. My JW friends et al APPEAR well-off and zealous in service. It's just SO different now, 40 years later.

RE: the apparent ambush you described. It may be only anecdotal, isolated cases; however, some non-JWs have commented on lack of warmth and friendliness of JWs in the ministry. In a rush, get it over with. No observable commitment to those in the field. Again, the ministry 40 years ago was a joy, even though we were misled. We pioneering kids loved it, and we were not living double lives.

Thanx for this topic. We welcome many more fine thoughts from you!

CoCo

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Does the WBT$ God "Jehovah" Exsist?

by OUTLAW in

the wbt$ caims to speak for god..a god that intends to exterminate eveyone except jehovah`s witness`s..a god that can`t make his mind up about what the truth is,or what his people the "jehovah`s witness`s" should preach..a god who`s organization the wbt$,is absolutly corrupt..a god who say`s exactly what the wbt$ tells him to say.....does the wbts god "jehovah" exsist?...outlaw

compound complex

Greetings Friends,

When all the bad news and lying finally got through to me, I wanted to remain a JW but cut all ties with the WTB&TS. Sort of like, I'm still in the faith per se, but "do as they say, but do not do as they [the leaders] do." My goal now is to find out who Jesus Christ is - you know, the man occasionally mentioned in WT literature.

CoCo

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A reminder on Shunning family members again in the January 15th Watchtower!

by Gill in

jw
friends

january 15th watchtower 2007 'remaining steadfast when a child rebels'.

'when discipline is severe'.

'if your child is unrepentant and is a baptized christian, he may receive the strongest form of discipline - being disfellowhipped from the congregation.

compound complex

Dear Friends,

I am currently researching the recruiting techniques of the more oppressive cults, including programming of the very young. However harsh or "benign" the techniques employed are, what results is a child who cannot function outside the parameters of the cult. If ousted, many commit suicide. There were so many elements in one particular article that smacked of the dangers of the WT, yet no reference whatsoever was made to JWs. I still find it hard to believe that in my zeal to serve God, I was using cult methods and not the way of Jesus Christ. My Bible teacher used to say of church-goers, "They may be sincere, but they are sincerely wrong." A turning of the tables, I'm afraid.

CoCo

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Is the Watchtower really this decietful? Say it aint so. Really?

by icocer in

i found this page that list what they believe are their top 10 deceptive quotes in the "should you believe in the trinity" booklet.

the site is trinitarian.

my itention is not to prove or disporve the trinity, it is to find out if the watchtower is really this decietful.

compound complex

Greetings Icocer and welcome to the Forum!

I haven't gone over the Trinity brochure personally yet, but there are posts and articles available that can answer your questions. The situation you describe is that of dishonest scholarship, with the emphasis on the DIS. The CREATION book is another publication whose references in the bibliography have been dismantled - sources were misquoted, vital thoughts omitted, and the author's true meaning obscured. I saw both Drs. Mantey and Metzger (Bible scholars) interviewed on videotape, and they both decried WT methods. I believe it was Dr. Mantey (I read a copy of the letter) who wrote the Society a sort of "cease and desist" warning about ever quoting him again.

Honest mistakes? No. Retractions and apologies are not usual (an occasional acknowledgement, perhaps) within the realm of WT policy. Persecution of THOSE WHO CONTINUE to ask honest questions is modus operandi.

Keep seeking and you will find!

CoCo